[Anime] Saint Seiya Omega: New Cloth - Discussion Thread

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  1. Aoi Kurenai

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    New year, new thread! The Mars arc is over and the saints are now joined by Subaru, a young Steel Saint as they fight against Pallas, an ancient enemy of Athena.
     
  2. Eldar

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    I'm sure all those who missed the boxes and more clunky armor will be happy. But I thought this was a really downgrade from what Omega did well. There wasn't many good character moments and little reflection about the events from last season. Just Kouga being angsty and OOC while refusing to fight.

    Really bad first episode and way too much time spent advertising the new merchandising tie-ins.
     
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  3. Galaxian

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    Haven't watched the episode yet, but I loved the new opening.

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  4. Blaze Dragon

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    It's okay, it's the first episode. I'm sure we'll get more character moments once the new Cloths are properly introduced. By itself, next episode apparently will be about Souma (whose Cloth still hasn't changed, I guess it will during the episode).

    I watched it but since I don't understand Japanese very well I can't really say much (I just found it by mistake and said why not?), but I can say that the new opening is really good. Definitely a step up from Next Generation. The art also looks somewhat better. Kouga looked more mature. Might've just been me, though.

    I've said it before, but I really like the new Cloths. Going back to the good ol' style in which armour was armour is definitely something I can agree with. Hell, even the Ryuseiken was far closer to the original version (a physical attack with multiple high speed blows) than the Omega version (a bunch of beams of light).

    I hate Subaru so much even though I skipped his scenes entirely. The opening basically puts him as the second lead...when we already have a cast of characters we grew to love, and ANOTHER set of characters that we loved far before this series even existed. Instead, fucking Steel Saint. At least his Cloth seemed pretty damn weak against that...err...Parasite? That's a pretty weird name. I guess it's a pun on Pallas but...

    Talking about the opening, apart from being really damn good, again we got an entirely fake one. All of the scenes were from either this episode or previous ones, sans for the beginning (until the title card) and the end (Kouga vs Subaru, pose). I guess we'll get the opening proper next episode, just like with Next Dimension.

    Also Kiki used Starlight Extintion. I can't say anything more. Kiki, keep rocking. He seemed to be saying some pretty badass things too...not like I understood him, other than "here's all the Cloths of dead people, lots of Saints died", and somehow the Gemini Cloth isn't there. Pretty weird. We'll see what it means later, I guess. Either Paradox changed sides, or we're getting another Kanon. Honestly, I'd like Aquarius and Libra to go to Hyoga and Shiryu now that they can fight, but Saori's future vision thing showed both with their Cygnus and Dragon Cloths (though the latter in its Hades arc design, huh...)...while Ryuho also has the Dragon Cloth...

    ...Somehow I only noticed this now. Now THAT'S interesting. I seriously doubt it's a mistake, so now I'm looking forward to what will happen. Having a team up between the new Saints, the legend Saints and the new Gold Saints would be a pretty great thing for the arc. Have Seiya and the others do something now! Show us more of Kiki and Harbinger, I love those guys. And I guess Fudo and Genbu too, but...I don't care much about them. Oh well.

    Also Kouga's Pegasus Cloth shows its wings in the opening. That's also pretty interesting. We already knew the Pegasus Cloth had that ability, but...I wonder what it means for it to show up again.
     
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  5. kuroihikari

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    Was there any particular reason why they brought back the idea of Steel Saints? They were already an annoyance in the original series and seemed to be shoehorned in.
     
  6. Aoi Kurenai

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    Just how much merchandising does this show actually have? I know there were hardly any traditional toys released for the series in its first year and only a couple of branded items. The biggest item I can think of is the Koga Figuarts, which obviously isn't targeting kids.
     
  7. Blaze Dragon

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    Selling toys, what else. Probably a reference to the original series for the older fans, too...but I guess they didn't quite get that said older fans, me included, absolutely hated the Steel Saints.
     
  8. Eldar

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    Kiki using Starlight Extinction was great callback to the original.

    It's a double pun. Parasite, but also Pallasite, which is a type of meteor.

    But I agree about Subaru. I dislike him. I just hope he turns out to be a secret villain, but giving he is selling the new steel cloth, I don't see a villainous turn happening.

    The overhaul in designs suggest probably figures and totems for all 7 main characters.

    Toys and more kid appeal character to induce more purchasing of merchandise.
     
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  9. Aoi Kurenai

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    There haven't been any toy catalogs released for this show yet, so I'd imagine we're still not going to see a typical figure line or anything more than what we got from the very start.

    I've heard the theory that this show was produced solely so Toei could sell it to other countries, it would make sense to have power ups so they can be marketed as new toys in any other countries that might produce their own toylines.
     
  10. Eldar

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    That doesn't make sense.

    Why introduce a Steel Saint if you are not going to sell toys to kids domestically? The people in Europe and South America who would buy the merchandise dislike Steel Saints.

    Or why even redesign the clothes if you aren't going to do toys? Given their schedule right now that they haven't even finished their new opening, redoing their animation bank and creating new transformation and attack sequences for all seven characters is going to take up even more time.

    I can understand how season 1 was mostly intended to be ported overseas. But season 2 is written way too much like a giant domestic advertising commercial.
     
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  11. NeonZ

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    I've just finished watching the first episode subbed. I thought it was pretty good, although it suffered from some obvious flaws. The first problem, which is noticeable even without subs, is that they just didn't bother doing any kind of transition from the last story to this one. No times of peace or anything, we jump directly from the last battle to the new one.

    Right in the beginning though, we get an interesting scene where Seiya has a chance to kill Pallas and bring an end to the upcoming battle foreseen by Athena, but sees himself unable to do it. It's kind of strange to see Athena using her Saints to kill a child, but, considering how she seemed to appear from the sky, right in front of Seiya, I guess no one knew the form she'd take.

    Anyway, afterwards we get to Kouga. The change in writing team clearly shows here. The final battle was resolved by Kouga accepting all of himself, but here we get a Kouga who's still uncertain about his dark side, showing some regression. However, I think they touch on something here that the previous writers failed to do. Yes, Kouga accepted all of himself in the finale, but it never really elaborated on what that meant. Here, we actually get some real development in that sense. Kouga has realized that he wasn't only fighting to protect people, his fists tremble with excitation when he's about to fight, he likes fighting. That seems to be his "dark" side, and it's because of realizing that, in addition to his cloth being broken, that he initially hesitates to fight.

    Meanwhile, Subaru seems to be introduced here to complete the representation of all elements in the main cast. Although it's not completely confirmed, Kouga says that Subaru's cosmo is similar to dark cosmo, and he shows the same red eyes that Kouga had at times. Although I'm not sure about him being a steel saint, I think this is actually a good move. Yet again, previously, the writers had pushed towards accepting dark cosmos and everything, but didn't really seem to attempt to do it themselves, only keeping people fighting with dark cosmos as villains - even when Kouga seemingly accepted dark cosmos he just got a golden aura due to the combination of cosmos he was using. Subaru seems like he's going to be an actual heroic dark cosmos Saint. Getting back to Kouga, the final push that makes him fight without hesitation is when the Pallasite starts talking about how he enjoys destruction and beating up others, and that's why he wasn't only focused on fighting against Kouga, in spite of that being his mission. At that point, Kouga realized how different they were. I thought that was actually pretty good.

    Anyway, in spite of the lack of transition, the previous incidents aren't completely ignored. Kouga now seems to be known as a god slayer, by both Subaru and the Pallasite who attacked them here. Meanwhile, the Kiki scene is mainly around to show that Paradoxi has disappeared with the Gemini cloth, and also to change the mechanics regarding cloth's repairing. Kiki here claims that he can only repair the exterior of the clothes, but that any Saint, by burning their cosmos and using the universe inside them, can breath life into their clothes, so even if he dies the clothes won't disappear - I guess that might sound like a death flag, but he easily beats his opponent here at least.

    The animation wasn't impressive, far bellow Omega's best, but it wasn't really bad either. It was basically serviceable. Anyway, next episode, Souma apparently still is wearing his old cloth, so it seems like we'll see the other 5 main get their new clothes individually, so, there shouldn't be many odd transitions from now on, I hope. Also, did anyone else think next episode's pallasite looked really like Jabu? Same eye and hair colors as Jabu in his Omega appearance, similar hair style... although his skin seems to be lighter, so it might be someone else.
     
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  12. Blaze Dragon

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    Where did you find the sub? The site I follow (nwanime) only has them around Wednesday or so, so a sub this early is pretty damn impressive.
     
  13. Eldar

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    the pit of despair known as /a/
     
  14. Galaxian

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    Those are English subs ripped from Crunchyroll, that's why they wait until Wednesday. However, Portuguese, Spanish, and French subs are already out.


    I didn't have as much problems with the transition. I do think actually addressing it would be nice, but it doesn't bother me much. However I didn't like that none of the fights had resolution. The Parasites simply ran away.
     
  15. Blaze Dragon

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    Having watched it subbed, Kiki sure comes off as angry when saying that the fight isn't over. Honestly, can't blame him. Unlike the new Saints, he's been in so many fights, Saga, Poseidon, Hades, now Mars and Pallas. Unlike the old Saints, he was never able to actually fight, until now. That Starlight Extinction was pretty damn cool, though. Gotta love how proud Raki looked.

    This episode felt a bit rushed at times, but I think it overall worked. Kouga was scared of himself, of actually enjoying the fight, rather than fighting to protect others. It comes across as a bit out of place after the last episode, but it's not a bad thing to show. Unlike before, he doesn't have the excitement and worry of battle against Abzu to take his mind off it, so it makes some sense that he'd start thinking about it now: especially since, as he said, the battle was over.

    Watching Subaru, I hate him even more. "LOL LET'S FIGHT I WANNA BE A GOD YAY". Stock shonen hero, hoo boy. Go die in a fire. I really hope we get shown some hidden depths out of this guy because I really, really don't like him now. Even moreso since this really should've been a completely Kouga-based episode, apart from the Seiya/Pallas and Kiki scenes...no reason for Subaru to be there, especially since the Pallasite covered the role of "fight loving evil guy" that Kouga needed perfectly. And he'll have a role next episode too. Ugh. Please focus on Souma, the guy got absolutely ignored after Sonia was done for. Not Subaru. Fuck Subaru.

    Also Geki's appearing, huh. And with a bunch of Subaru recolours, too. Because that's exactly what we need. More fucking Steel Saints. Steel Saints with Cosmo, too...somehow.

    This was a good enough start (if not as good as previous episodes, even art-wise), but I'm not exactly sure of where this is going. Kouga and Kiki give me hope, and the amount of callbacks to the original series are nice, but spotlight stealing Steel Saint. Hopefully he won't be as important later on. Last thing I need is another Gai in my Gokaiger...
     
  16. Eldar

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    I like to think they'll kill Subaru off at the end. Or he'll get the show cancelled like what happened to Xros Wars with regards to Young Hunters.
     
  17. Galaxian

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    My guess is that he's going to end up being evil (betrayal, possessed, mind-controlled, brainwashed, or whatever). I've seen it way to many times in anime (though must of them were YGO lol).
     
  18. NeonZ

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    They already have Eden for that though. He has joined the Pallasites for some reason.
     
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  19. Amakuza_Itahitsu82

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    I have had enouh of this abomination....why give us omega with redubdant stories, below average animation when people wanna see the last part of the lost canvas and even episode g and all the gold saints gaiden???
    crazy, just because im a fan of saint seiya i will try to watch it
     
  20. Galaxian

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    Right now, I'm chalking him up as mole. I mean, there's already a precedent :laugh:

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