Revisiting: Dragon Ball Z

Discussion in 'Super GeekStation Climax: THE STARCADE' started by Kaji Motomiya, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. Kaji Motomiya

    Kaji Motomiya PARTY HARD

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    So I got bored one day and decided, "I need to watch something different. Precure, Kamen Rider, Persona's fun and all. But I have the need for something different." In the past, I've revisited some subbed versions of my childhood anime, such as Digimon Seasons 1 and 2, and now and then Pokemon. I'm even watching Yu Yu Hakusho on the Funimation channel for shits and giggles, because I grew up with that during grade school.

    But what anime have I started that takes me WAY back? Back when all the guys at school talked about it?

    Dragon Ball Z, yo. It started when I caught the Lord Slug and Cooler Movies on Nicktoons, because they tend to show DBZ movies. Right now, as I type this, they're running through an entire marathon of movies (currently on Broly - Second Coming). So back in December, before my computer made it harder to watch or do anything media-related now, I started watching the DBZ eps from way back, but remastered and redubbed Funimation style (when Chris Sabat voice Vegeta, and the current Goku voice did Goku from way back). It's crazy when I watch it, that there was a HUGE difference in art style from then and now. Like how Piccolo's eyes were more round than the sharp square eyes everyone is so used to.

    And then I recalled that Dragon Ball was a martial arts-style anime with some fantasy mixed in. So with my more recent memories of DBZ, it's weird to see that the old DBZ incorporated some sort of martial arts style then the standard kicking and punching.

    Last I left off, I finished the battle of Raditz, and I didn't know that Piccolo killed Raditz after he told them about Vegeta and Nappa. I actually never knew what happened to Raditz until then. I also never knew that the Vegeta saga (Saiyan Saga back then) was cut down by a few episodes, because the VERY first episode of DBZ was mainly removed, as it was more Gohan-centric and represented the peace Goku brought to Earth after beating Piccolo.

    I'm hoping to try and finish this. I wanna hear what "OVER 9000!!!" sounds like here...
     
  2. Arkvoodle

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    Are you watching the original version or Kai?
     
  3. Kaji Motomiya

    Kaji Motomiya PARTY HARD

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    The Funimation Dragon Ball Z, where it's been redubbed with the chosen voice actors during Funimation's run of the Ginyu Saga and up, like Vegeta's Chris Sabat and Goku's...I keep fucking forgetting his name. It's...okay. The Vegeta Saga (aka Saiyan Saga in the original Ocean Dub, when Scott McNeil voiced Piccolo) brought back episodes now shown in the Ocean Dub. And they have blood. Like, when Goku held Raditz from behind to keep him from escaping, until took a Special Beam Cannon to the stomach (lol Skyrim ref). Blood. Out of the hole in both Goku's and Raditz' stomach...and mouth.

    Also puddle of blood. Glorious. Un-edited glory. I didn't know what to say about Justin Cook (Yu Yu Hakusho's Yusuke Urameshi) being Raditz. But I like how Funimation voice actors in DBZ try to keep it to the seriousness of the show. I've listened to Kai, and it was gag-me-with-a-spoon corny. It's like DBZ from 4Kids...
     
  4. Red Ranger

    Red Ranger Member

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    :eyebrow: The Kai dub is a much more accurate dub than the crap Z dub. Give an example.
     
  5. Kaji Motomiya

    Kaji Motomiya PARTY HARD

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    Well, I can't say how accurate it is because I've never watched DBZ in Japanese or subbed. I've only watched the dubs. But there are times when I listen to some Kai episodes that are on, and then I compare it to the Remastered Funimation episodes (before the Ginyu saga). Some of the dubbing in Kai didn't sit well with me compared to the original DBZ's (I don't mean Ocean Dub at this point).

    One thing that didn't sit well with me was Gohan's voice. It was....weird. Like, I can't get used to it as much as the reused young Goku voice used for Gohan (or was it the other way around. lol).

    The Freeza voice, however, I LIKE. Better than that annoying raspy voice.
     
  6. ParaParaJMo

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    Ocean had great actors but terrible writing like I'm gonna send you to the next dimension lameness

    And Scott McNeil was a great piccolo
     
  7. chronoxiong

    chronoxiong Digital Artist

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    I love Dragon Ball Z and will always love it. I've seen all the episodes and will never ever watch all 291 episodes again. Lol...But seeing it back in Kai was pretty cool. I liked the cleaned up animation and the voice acting was still top notch. Sucks to hear about the background music though as I read that it was copyrighted. My favorite sagas would be the Fusion Saga and Cell Games Saga. But one of my favorite moments would be seeing Vegeta become Majin Vegeta. Anyways, the show that I need to finish is GT. I got halfway and stopped watching because of the slow pace of the Baby Vegeta Saga.
     
  8. Kaji Motomiya

    Kaji Motomiya PARTY HARD

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    One of the reasons I'm rewatching DBZ is simple:

    The Freeza saga. By far, one of my most favorite sagas in DBZ, and I'm going to rewatch it in Japanese just to listen to Nakao Ryuusei (Freeza). I seriously love that guy half to death. I also can't find a remastered version of the series where Vegeta tries to take on Freeza's final form and claims he's a super saiyan. IIRC, in a video of the Vegeta vs Shadow the Hedgehog battle (can't remember the name of the segment, just YouTube it), I heard Vegeta say somethings along the line in an official dub, probably remastered, "I AM A SUPER-SAIYAN!! *charges Galick Gun* AND YOU CAN BURN IN HELL!!" I can't find the stupid fight (again, the second remastered, since he said "hell") on YouTube, though.
     
  9. luffy4

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    i think he is talking about the TV version of Kai, 4kids was in charge of it and some of the voice actors were replaced with bad actors for it (and MR.popo is blue not black) 18 being a prime example of bad voice
     
  10. Painted_Outlaw

    Painted_Outlaw The new Tendou Souji

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    Correction, Funimation dubbed Dragonball Kai and most of the voice actors were the same (Think the only voice changes were: 18 and Gohan got shifted to Colleen Clinkenbeard, Bulma got shifted to Monica Rial & Freeza got shifted to Chris Ayres (which no offense to Linda Young (her Genkai voice is great) but I think this was an amazing choice)

    4kids only had airing rights though I can only theorize on how dubbing out "gun" and "bomb", changing Mr. Popo's color and messing up halo's was beneficial when kids could just change the channel and see the untouched version, anyways.
     
  11. luffy4

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    they also removed blood, and many other violent scenes but yeah 4kids themselves werent in charge of the dubbing process. though 18 has her old voice that doesnt sound like a highschool play actor for the dvd/blu-ray release. and yes freiza's new voice is easily 100X better than that scratchy girly voice, i have heard frieza's voice (the old one) in some other show wear it fits in much better (Like Zatch bell and Yuyu Hakusho)

    also i think the uncensored vesion is DVD only, they even swear in it (only minor profanity like Bastard and asshole)
     
  12. SamuraiEchidna

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    If you think Ocean Dub is bad, check out the English Malay dub.
    "Saiya-People" LOL!

    The only problem I had with Ocean Dub, during its short run on American television, is that it seemed like it couldn't make up its mind. On the one hand, it felt like it wanted to be a Westernized, almost 4Kids-style version; on the other hand, it wanted to be uncut. Like it wanted to be both at the same time.

    Still I grew up with the Ocean Dub, until Funimation took over with Goku landing on Planet Namek. The new voices were hard to get use to at first, but I quickly let it go and learned to love the new dub. And I love Funimation for giving us the definitive, uncut, redubbed, Dragon Box collection. And I love Kai too for what it is.

    The reason why Dragon Ball Z's animation changes is because it's one of those cartoons that has been around long enough to reflect the change in times as far as what Animation can give us. The first saga was just coming off the animation style of the regular Dragon Ball anime, but as time carried on, the budget got bigger, and I'm guessing as animation became capable of doing more things, DBZ's animation style began to improve as well. What's great about this is that the animation improves gradually. You might not notice at first, but when you compare a later saga to the first, the difference in animation is clear as day.

    DBZ Kai, I appreciate for being closer to the manga. It's amazing to know that we live in an era now where an anime can get a reboot if it didn't follow the manga as close as it should have. They tried to use the refurbished animation to fix the animation flaws in DBZ as well as make the animation style a little more matching for each season, but the differences are still there.
     
  13. luffy4

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    the animation change is best noticed between the cell saga and the Buu Saga, Buu saga looks like it was made 10 years later with how good it looks
     
  14. Liquid Chris Sentai

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    Just to organize the dubs for you.

    Harmony Gold
    Dragon Ball: Ep. 1-5, M. 1-3

    FUNimation (w/ Ocean Part 1)
    Dragon Ball: Ep. 1-13, M. 1
    Dragon Ball Z: Ep. 1-53 (1-67 in JPN), M. 3

    FUNimation (w/ Ocean Part 2)
    Dragon Ball Z: M. 1-3

    FUNimation (w/ inhouse voices)
    Dragon Ball: Ep. 1-153, M. 1-4
    Dragon Ball Z: Ep. 1-291, Kai. 1-98, M. 1-13, S. 1-2
    Dragon Ball GT: Ep. 1-64, S. 1

    Westwood
    Dragon Ball (w/ Blue Water): Ep. 1-153
    Dragon Ball Z (w/ Ocean): Ep. 123-291,
    Dragon Ball GT (w/ Blue Water): Ep. 1-64
     
  15. MMPR

    MMPR Read my smart post

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    Do you plan on watching Dragoonball? I've never watched the entire show and thought it would be cool to hear someones opinion
     
  16. Liquid Chris Sentai

    Liquid Chris Sentai Member

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    Watch it from Dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z. If you like, watch Dragon Ball GT as a bonus.
     

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