Kamen Rider Amazons Talkback

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  1. Herman the German

    Herman the German Treasure Cards of the Underworld

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    Ya'd have to ask the responsible executive at Toei Company.

    That being said, is it just my imagination or is this season much more brutal than I remember the last season being? @~@ I don't handle gore well and, well, I am handling Amazons less and less well each episode…
     
  2. lazycoconut

    lazycoconut I liked him when he wasn't a god

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    No, you're right, it is a lot gorier than season 1. Toei seems to have the idea that anything made for the periphery demographic needs to constantly "push boundaries" - you can see this in the V-Cinema releases too (especially Chase and Specter) and the recent Brave special. Personally, I don't think Amazons needs that.

    Kurosaki is so hateable, I'm looking forward to finding out more about him. There are some intriguing moments that were shown in the S2 trailer relating to him (including him leading a large number of 4C troops and in another scene saying "my father ate my brother" - this would explain his obsession with Iyu.) I suspect his actions will lead to an alliance of the original exterminators and Mizuki + Haruka's band of Amazons against 4C. He hates Fukuda and wants to intimidate Mizuki, who both have close past or present alliances with Amazons
     
  3. Kamen Rider Kaixa

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    I guess I'm immune to most gore since I've been watching Supernatural since the start of the series.
     
  4. Toku Prime

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    Was it my imagination or is Iyu's dad played by the same actor that was the big bad from Fourze? I'm certainly not imagining that Time Fire plays the leader of the team that found the rose Amazon in the latest episode.

    Anyway I must admit this show kinda fell by the wayside for me after only one episode, so I've watched an episode every evening this week in order to get caught up and have a few thoughts:-

    First up, I like that characters actually do things this time. In the first season characters often fell into that early Heisei "I'm just going to stand here for a while and gaze into the middle distance while wallowing in my own misery" trap. And frankly that quickly gets boring, so I'm glad that they seem to be avoiding that this time.

    On the downside, I don't care about the "romance" between Blue-mazon and his Corpse Bride. Actually scrap that; I don't really care about any of the new characters yet. I think the actor playing the leader of the new main team is going for a creepy vibe but talking quietly and slowly when your character has lots of lines about not caring about things means he comes across less creepy and more permanently bored. The show is way more interesting when it's catching up with the cast from last season.

    I can't say I really noticed the gore more than last time, but then the CGI squid ink they squirt out doesn't squick me out in the same way that, for example, watching an operation in a medical drama would, so maybe it's just that it's not giving me the creeps?
    Did the first season ever show up? I don't have Prime but I haven't heard anyone mention it being released outside of Japan.
     
  5. Herman the German

    Herman the German Treasure Cards of the Underworld

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    Don't have Prime myself, so, can't comment on that, either.
    As for gore, I was more talking about what happens to the human victims, really, like in that repeated flashback scene (especially the bit with the eye *shudder*).
     
  6. SamuraiEchidna

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    Well, Amazons Season 2 is over. I honestly liked this show. I feel like the 2nd season was just what we needed. I think this series was always meant to be a dark tragedy, but you don't really feel it until season 2. At least, that's my experience. Chihiro and Iyu became an even more tragic story than Tackle's story from Stronger. Omega's faceless design made me think he would just be the secondary/side-kick Rider character, but he ended up being the main character and probably the most conflicted while having the best intentions. Alpha's design really impressed me and I wanted to like him as the main Rider, even his intentions could have been framed as righteous, but he ultimately became the villain that you love to hate just because of how powerful he is despite being driven by his own madness.

    The ending of season 2 is... Should I love it or hate it? They don't show us, they just tell us that Chihiro/Neo is dead, which means his father and Haruka brought him down. On the one hand, I feel like his father should have been the one to be brought down; Jin did his part in the series but he's become a little 2-dimensional, he's practically killing all Amazons just for the sake of killing them. However, this show is meant to be an action-packed, dark tragedy. And the ending is tragic, so mission accomplished? But like I mentioned before, they told us Chihiro is dead, they did not show us. With two Amazons still alive and another unconfirmed, it's possible they're hinting at a 3rd season? Maybe one where Chihiro is alive after all? Maybe Amazons isn't truly over until there are no more Amazons left standing? Just a thought.

    Over all, I like this show. I really do. It's dark, gritty, and gory. However, I feel this show justifies all of it. I've seen The First and The Next, and it felt like those movies (most of the time) were just being dark for the sake of being dark. But there was no edge-lord pretentiousness here, at least none that I could see. It was slow to start off in the first season, sticking mostly to a status quo, but the ending and season 2 is just what it needed to become something great.

    (Also, props to Iyu's actress. Just standing still and being EXTREMELY deadpan nearly all the time could not have been easy. I could just tell that she wanted to stretch out and actually do some real acting, and thank goodness she got her chance near the finale.)
     
  7. Black Fang

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    I can't really see a Season 3 being done with what they have. It would be like a Showa show where you have Nozama/4C sending Sigmas to hunt down our heroes. Can you do thirteen episodes of that after all they've done before? I think a movie might work better.

    I wonder if Toei will try another series like this with a different Showa Rider. Maybe ZX, designed after the SIC figure?

    Iyu's dad was Houjou in Agito, Centipede Orphenoch in Faiz, and that cop that wanted to suppress Shinnosuke's investigation in Drive Type Tokujo.
     
  8. Toku Prime

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    Now that I've had a while to digest season two, I feel kinda frustrated about it. None of the lingering plot threads from season one were really progressed, and the season one characters were pushed to the side in favour of a group of new characters who were nowhere near as compelling. I feel like if they made a third season you could just jump straight to it from the end of season one and probably not even notice.
    Ah yes I knew him from somewhere but got mixed up.
     
  9. Black Fang

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    What's left unresolved though? And as mentioned before, can you do another 13 episodes when the only people left to do anything are Haruka, Jin and Nozama/4C? It's not like Garo where the war with Horrors has gone on for eternity. You can dish out a movie to tie up any loose ends, but that's it.
     
  10. SamuraiEchidna

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    If tying up loose ends is the only way you want to approach it, then I agree there is barely enough material in there for a good movie. You could still come up with even more stuff to expand it into another season, even if it repeats some of the beats we've seen in season 2. (A new type of Amazon and Amazon cells. Haruka and/or Jin's DNA being used as the basis to create more Amazons. Maybe human DNA and Amazon DNA are becoming more and more interwoven and dependent. Etc.) However, unless it serves a purpose, it runs the risk of having Season 3 end the same was Season 2 did.

    I think the only way to justify a 3rd season, without leaving things on a cliff hanger and tying up all the loose ends, is to make sure it's something tragic but worthwhile. Something bittersweet with the hope of a better future, but was still heart breaking to get there and it could still all be for nothing. Because of this, the ending we got for Season 2 is probably perfect the way it is. It's kind of like the ending of the Faiz TV show. We know there are still 2 Amazons around (Jin and Haruka), but if left alone, hopefully there won't be any other Amazons to worry about. Keyword: hopefully. Anything could happen, even worst case scenarios or the unpredictable. But for now, there is not enough Amazons in the world to really be too concerned about, and one of them will most likely defend the innocent in case any others go rogue. And I could spitball some ideas for how to make a movie or a 3rd season worthwhile, but I've often been surprised by what the Japanese story writers tend to come up with, so I'll just let myself be surprised for now and accept whatever we get. Even if Season 2 is the end of it all and there won't be any future productions for "Kamen Rider Amazons", I'm fine with that.
     
  11. Dr Kain

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    Finished the first season today. It was absolutely fantastic, though Amazon's subtitles suck ass when they are shown infront of a white background. There were times when the subs blended into the background, rendering them unreadable. Anyway, I got a lot of Agito and Kuuga feels from the show, which is great. I really hope it doesn't take Amazon another year to give us the second season as that would suck.
     
  12. Dr Kain

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    Jesus, I know people told me that Amazons' second season was pretty bad, but what they didn't tell me is that it is utterly boring. It's so boring that even Iron Fist would be like, "DAMN!"

    What the hell happened? First off, when the hell did they suck out the color Zack Snyder style while inserting lens flares Abrams galore? Secondly, there is no chemistry with the new cast. I don't feel like they are a team as half of the time they're just sitting in a room looking bored and the actors talk as if they were bored out of their minds. The thing that made the team from the first season great was there was a sense of comaraderie between the cast. None of that is present here.

    Then there is the new kid's sudden interest in necrophilia. Like seriously? Does he really want to crack open a cold one that badly? Or he is just hoping for maximum shrinkage below his belt? Nevertheless, so far he is as interesting as wallpaper. He has no sense of personality, no individuality, and all he does is mope about. Then we have Banjou's actor, who serves no purpose whatsoever. Not to mention he and his friends are utterly unlikable. Then again, NO ONE in this show is likable so far. Everything is as monotonous as its color scheme.

    What happened between the two seasons? At first, I was glad to finally get to see the second season since the first ended without completing its story. Now, I'm wishing there was no second season because it doesn't even feel like it is even trying to conclude the unfinished story. It seems to have started a whole new plot without explaining jack shit to the audience. Add on top horrible editing, unremarkable, misplaced music, and you have yourself a pile of shit.

    This is going to be tough to get through the remaining 10 episodes I have to watch.
     
  13. Dr Kain

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    We watched 4-7 last night and while things got a little better, it was still beyond boring. The first episode that featured the 20 minute date between the living dead girl and the dude who wants to crack open a cold one was so friggin terrible. The next episode was probably the best because it focused more on the characters from the first season over the new guys who are not even remotely interesting. Hell, the leader of the new team sits around 90% of the time looking bored. How is that exciting?

    Episode 6 was more of the same, but at least the Rose dude was cool. As for the last episode we watched, I don't get how necro kid is Jin's son as Jin is way too young to have a 20 year old son. He's either got to be adopted or a test tube baby.
     
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  14. scikaiju

    scikaiju science experiment gone wrong

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    I'm pretty sire his growth was implied to be accelerated due to Jin's Amazon cells. I haven't watched it in a while so don't qoute me on that.
     
  15. Dr Kain

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    I haven't gotten that far yet then.
     
  16. scikaiju

    scikaiju science experiment gone wrong

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    Oops sorry.
     
  17. Toku Prime

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    I remember reading that the production team initially wanted to create a second more adult-orientated Rider show that was maybe set in the same universe but otherwise completely unrelated to the first season. The people upstairs told them they had to make a sequel. So you end up with Amazons s2, where the cast of the first season are relegated to the third or fourth most important story line.

    The crazy thing to me is that the leader of the new exterminator team is so bad, yet in real life the actor is the brother of the actor who played Ankh in OOO. Clearly charisma isn't genetic. Also, there's a Sentai alumni (I won't say who in case Dr Kain hasn't got to it yet) who has a minor role who could have done a better job of being the exterminator leader with their eyes shut. Ah well.
     
  18. Dr Kain

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    We finished the second season tonight and what a crock of shit it was. I'm sorry, but I didn't think it got all that much better at all. The eighth episode was horribly edited together and tried to cram way too much information into such a small timeframe.

    The ninth episode pretty much killed off like a million characters and I didn't feel a single bit of sadness for any of them as they were all useless anyway. Although, it's a nice social commentary on the Japanese retirement system as even when the dude with the glasses gets ripped apart, he's still working. I guess he's only a part-time employee now. Though, I hate half days personally, so that sucks for him. :-D

    I feel like the rest of the show was an allegory for the fandom's feelings on Chiharu. That dude sucked and the show writers clearly knew it as they were handing him his ass at every second possible. Good riddance as he was a lackluster character from start to finish and so utterly unlikable. I get what they were trying to do with him, but they failed on so many levels thanks to his poor acting, uninteresting writing, and just generic all around. The necrophilia stuff was some pointless too. Of course, the part that pissed me off the most is that they spent all that time on this waste of skin and they didn't even bother showing his final battle. What a god damn fucking let down that was. There was no payoff to him at all.

    I also didn't understand Mamoru this season either. I had no idea whose side he was supposed to be on nor what the hell his purpose was. It seemed like they just cleared up that plot with a McGuffin weapon because Toei didn't even know what to do with it.

    Nanaha being the villain was also dumb.

    Finally, my last complaint is not on the show itself, but Amazon. They didn't subtitle the post-credit scene with Tachibana. -_- I got the gyst of what was being said with my basic knowledge, but what the hell did they not sub it?

    God I hope the movie rectifies all of the garbage writing from this season, but the fact that I can clearly see why Zi-O is a piece of shit series given its done by the same dude as this one.
     
  19. Toku Prime

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    I have yet to see it but I heard that Chihiro is in the film, so I wonder if his final battle is featured in that? But yeah, as I've mentioned a few times, the overgrown five year old and the zombie girl really don't work as a "tragic romance".
     
  20. Dr Kain

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    Not just that, but none of the characters were remotely interesting, the Season 1 characters felt like they were thrown in for fanservice, but most of all, the show was just flat out boring. It tried to take itself way too seriously without ever allowing a moment of fun to be involved. Oh, they also forgot to put color into it as everything was sucked out of it like a Zack Snyder film.
     

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