Kamen Rider Amazons Talkback

Discussion in 'Henshin Justice Unlimited' started by scikaiju, Apr 6, 2016.

  1. ferosaki

    ferosaki Extreme Perfect Complete Ultimate !

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    Lol.......someone on rangerboard assumed that nanaha is an amazon and jin died lol

    Anyway, let's just talk about how annoying haruka's weird sense of justice..
    Seing one time he wanted to protect anyone weak was good, even with his raging on bando-san and hesitate to kill unawakened amazons..
    And then, here comes when he start yelling it's okay to eat humans for amazons coz of it IS THEIR INSTINCT
    But at the same time, he killed amazons that went to attack extermination team!!!!
    Like, WTFFFCKKK !!??
     
  2. PalleteRider

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    To sum it up: he protects who and what needs protection, be it an Amazon or human.
     
  3. ferosaki

    ferosaki Extreme Perfect Complete Ultimate !

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    He is a bit hypocritical and unstable and annoyi g..that's what he is
    Even if jin was going insane in that episode, it was all because he's trying really hard to make up for his mistakes by killing his own creation, but instead of cheered away, he was being constantly interfered by a scumbag kid like haruka
     
  4. ferosaki

    ferosaki Extreme Perfect Complete Ultimate !

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    Snip---please delete this
     
  5. scikaiju

    scikaiju science experiment gone wrong

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    Like you said he's basically a kid being over two years old. For roughly 90% of his life he was stuck in a house were his only human contact was his controlling mother and his, apparently, super clingy sister. When he gets out he runs into a guy who explains what he is, and reveals his goal to kill all Amazons. And a group he he eventually joins whose sole purpose is to hunt down and, again, kill his kind. He understands that the amazons that awakened are a danger and should be taken down, but his biggest issue is that just about everybody he knows in his short life has no issue killing those that haven't turned or trying to leave peacefully. Even if a few of them have eaten human flesh in order to try and not awaken. even Jin told him you have to eat to live in this world, so as someone who's not human he doesn't see an issue. As I stated before Haruka is in this hard headed teenager stage, he thinks he's right but doesn't realize he doesn't have the proper life experience to not see things in complete black and white, and not realize he put himself in this huge grey area.
     
  6. Zensrive

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    Haruka is basically saying that as long as there is still humanity inside the Amazons, he will defend it. But the one who has lost their humanity and attack humans, he will kill.

    Jin is saying that Amazons are too soon and doesn't have place yet in human's civilization so he needs to exterminate them all. I don't know why Nanaha supports him.
     
  7. Zensrive

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    So most of the Amazons were really monsters that is given inhibition bands and then let loose in the world somehow (I suspect by Mommy).
    Then Jin infected himself with the Amazon cells to give him power boosts.
    Then Mommy created Haruka, Amazon that is imbued with human genetics. A sort of Ultimate Being. A version of Jin that is perfect. Made for whatever reason.

    That still begs the questions: how the heck the Amazons imitate humans? Eat them and take their genetic makeup? How can one take over a cafe?
     
  8. raden238

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    I finally got around watching this show. Overall its good. Reminds me a lot of the older Heisei Rider shows where the violence was bit more heavy. The fights were very much like the older Heisei shows, where there wasn't a definitive villain plotting stuff. The suit designs for both Alpha and Omega were great. The belt was also cool. Just a simple design without being gimmicky, like the good ole days.

    The show did a good job fleshing out all the characters except for Mizuki, she was just kinda there. Maybe more from her in season 2. I always saw Haruka as an amazon. I don't see his sense of justice as hypocrisy, he just has "selective protection", where he chooses who he wants to save. At the beginning he was basically just a kid, not knowing what do with his life and being confused. By the end, he finally understands what he wants to do with his life, which was siding with the amazons. Haruka and Jin are basically the same just on opposite ends of the field. One for humans and one for amazons.

    I was expecting a twist where one of the humans was secretly an amazon, especially the old man but it didn't happen. Probably saving it for season 2. Its really nice to see a toku show thats short. It really helps with the story. Ghost just seems to drag on forever and by the time we reach the finale, nobody cares. Watching Ghost is like being trapped in a hot room with no windows and Amazons was like stepping out of this hot room and into a cool room with air conditioning. Just a welcome entry into the franchise. Definitely need to thank Netfilx and Marvel for this. Amazons was inspired by them. Not as violent or sexual as Daredevil or Jessica Jones :laugh: but a much better show than Ghost. Hopefully Ex-Aid will be good but if isn't, we have this show to get excited for :).

    Also if you notice all the episodes titles start with a letter from the alphabet in chronological order. The theme song Armour Zone is freaking awesome. Hopefully they keep it for season 2. 5 stars and my favorite Toku song of 2016 so far.
     
  9. Hentailover

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    I am only at the episode 8 right now and...

    This is a bothersome attitude a see in japanese media over and over. makes me wonder how much of a horrible disaster any contact with alient intelligence will be, when we are so incredibly self centric to a fault.
    So, Amazons are judged as evil and to be hunted purely for being amazons. It's apparently not because they eat people. Because a murderer is worthy of protection purely for belonging to the same species.

    Like, if Mamoru is alright, despite being amazon, because he doesn't murder innocents, doesn't that mean this guy is not alright because he does just that? Wouldn't what makes one "human" (whatever that arbitrary distinction is even meant to be) determined by their mind and actions not their biology?

    Like, based on glimpses of what I've accidentally read in this thread about further episodes, it may be addressed as just Jin's perspective and not the general message of the show, but based on previous examples of tokusatsu, that seems unlikely. I mean, Tomari had no problem killing Roidmudes without trial on the spot, yet killing a person, no, people have to be brought to justice...

    It's not even consistent, as there always exceptions that are treated as people because they are nice.


    Basically, toku shows a weird attitude where "other species" are given unfair standards, where to be worthy of any consideration, they have to be nice and helpful, othewise, they can be destroyed on the spot, while humans get the same benfits just by being born humans. It's this kinda of biased attitue that, for how often I see it reflected in popular media, will lead to tons and tons of horrifyingly racist/speciest wars if we ever encounter other intelligent beings.


    And I don't like it, because, outside of potentially being horrible for everybody involved in a very unlikely case of encountering other intelligent species, it also gives me an unjustified ego, by making me feel like I am one of the very few people actually mentally prepared to co-exist with anything demanding any sort of equality with humanity. And that just makes me end up being pretentious.
     
  10. Tendou Soujiro

    Tendou Soujiro Kamen Rider Dark Kabuto

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    You bring up an incredibly good point and in fact, that was my biggest issue with Drive. Chase's fate especially bothered me. I don't care that all of the Roidmudes ended up dying but it is extremely hypocritical of the series and honestly I can't really understand the message they were trying to convey.

    The majority of the fanbase gave Gou a ton of backlash for this and I'm surprised it hasn't been discussed more.
     
  11. Photon

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    Episode 8 is indeed the most confusing episode in this series. There seems to be mostly nothing done to the murderer. No matter what the show, that's a horribly wrong message to convey.

    I understand that they wanted this series to be a more "adult" series that requires deep thinking, but really, there's so much wrong in that episode. Deep thinking doesn't mean you have to show it's okay to let go someone who murdered people and beat up a defenseless person to near death just because the murderer is a human.




    Perhaps the Heart-Mach Saga will clear this up?
     
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  12. Khaiden

    Khaiden Heroes are forever

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    You'd have a field day with Faiz.

    I really agree with you on a lot of what you said, though.

    I felt that the episode was telling another message that's more apparent later in the series. I can't get into spoilers but you'll see the extermination team are not as indifferent to killing Amazons as it seems.

    About Jin's perspective... it gets crazier and more meaningful than that.
     
  13. Black Fang

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    I finally got around to watching Amazons. Like most here I enjoyed it: it's been a long while since I haven't been annoyed by anything in a Rider show. It was like the early Heisei days again. One complaint I do have is that they could've inserted a few more nods to Showa Amazon; I wonder why Nozama wasn't called Geddon or Garanda, or at least had some reference to them. The Amazon cells could've had a component derived from a lifeform from the Amazon. And Tlaloc apparently is an Aztec and not an Incan god, which would've been more appropriate.

    A question I have regarding the Amazons. Are they human test subjects who were injected with Amazon cells, or are they Amazon cells that grew and developed like embryos into humanoid creatures? I thought it was the former until the finale implied otherwise. (That they escaped would make more sense if the latter.) If the latter, why would the Amazons care about becoming monsters and eating people? What else would they know? Or did human interaction lead them to want to be human?
     
  14. Toku Prime

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    Yeah I also think that the early episodes give the impression that Amazons are infected humans, then about halfway through the show seems to decide that they're Amazon cells that grew into full lifeforms that are just mimicking humans. IIRC it seems to happen about the time you start to hear about how Jin became an Amazon, so I don't know if they just decided that both him and Haruka needed unique origins and changed things, or if the early episodes simply give the wrong idea.
     
  15. Black Fang

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    You'd think that they would have some human DNA if they can grow into human form, yet Haruka's mother says that he's the only one with human DNA vectored into the Amazon cells. Or maybe the cells have all sorts of DNA spliced into its own.

    I'd assumed that the experiment involved human volunteers being given Amazon cells to see how they could treat disease, but instead they mutated and became monsters. Then again, if that were the case they wouldn't have escaped, they'd have just left or begun asking questions before the cover-up. On the other hand, they could've been people who discovered something was up and ran away without telling anyone in the media (or perhaps doing so and getting silenced).

    If there was a change mid-show, that might be another wink to Ryuki, along with Tomohisa Yuge posing in front of a car window in episode 8.
     
  16. Toku Prime

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    SEASON TWO

    So season two has begun and ***SPOILER ALERT***
    [HIDE]...they've directly said that there are Amazons that was originally human but have become infected, but that these are a new "type" that only started to appear during the time skip.[/HIDE]So I guess that settles that debate from season one.

    Also, it seems that they've gone down the "belt with collectables" route now. Some may be happy that the new belt isn't shouting loud phrases but I'm going to throw it out there that the way this new belt incomprehensibly mumbles actually annoys me more.
     
  17. Herman the German

    Herman the German Treasure Cards of the Underworld

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    Oh God, season 2's second episode was… it was so gory that I actually had to pause at some point to mentally scream. That never happened to me before, but then, I am not particularly used to any kind of gore. Phew.
     
  18. FreedomR8G6B1

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    Adapt this series Saban!
     
  19. Herman the German

    Herman the German Treasure Cards of the Underworld

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    What for, didn't they already bring this over to the west via Amazon Prime? =V Granted, no news of Season 2 yet, but… :v

    Also, was anyone else a little surprised when we got close-up shots of Amazon Neo and it turned out his eyes are ACTUALLY red instead of yellow?
     
  20. Kainsword17

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    I would like to know something, why has the season02 part of the website not have an Amazonz page like the first season yet?
     

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