Discussion in 'Super GeekStation Climax: THE STARCADE' started by Blue Saint, May 31, 2011.
Someone in IGN say Eternal takes place 7 months after Forever Evil. Don't know if that's true.
I remember reading about Johns' interest in the character and how he intended to bring her into the modern DCU, and I remembered how he'd already introduced a New 52 Copperhead in the JLA book. Well, I guess this settles the question of how he was going to bring in a new one :sweat:.
Catwoman and Sinestro are just a joy to read in Forever Evil. It's especially good to have the latter back under Johns' pen. I got a chuckle at Sinestro's comment regarding Hal leading the corps. .
Not that I don't find the concept of the Injustice League being the heroes intriguing, but I am a little disappointed that we probably won't be getting a proper fight between the Justice League and the Crime Syndicate. I really wanted to see Superman vs. Ultraman. Though it looks like, at best, we'll get Cyborg vs. Grid and Batman vs. Owlman.
So we all think that red lightning is the Anti-Monitor? Or are there different theories about it?
Actually, I read somewhere that Darkseid was behind the destruction of Earth 3, but I don't think they'd really bring him back just yet. And, considering how the Justice League was able to stop him, I have high doubts he's the big threat the Crime Syndicate seems so worried about.
The Syndicate's prisoner has been revealed and it is... Alexander Luthor.
I actually saw that coming, but what surprised me is that this version of him has Shazam's powers.
I think with this being an Earth 3 story the Luthor reveal was inevitable, and needlessly drawn out. Honestly they could have shown from the start and just had the reveal being him having the Power of Mazahs. I really like his suit though, especially the bolt being in the shape of an L. The new "Shazam" look really works here, probably better than with Billy. I hope that his hero name is Captain Lighting.
Also I think this a good idea for the "anti-Luthor". On Earth 1 he is a man of science and master of his own destiny. But with Earth 3 Luthor not only is powered by magic he literally is empowered by the Gods. I hope he sticks around and isn't as kill happy and deranged that he seems in the last few pages.
Man is anyone wishing that the New 52 started after Forever Evil than where it did. Luthor and a female Power Ring on the Justice League. America recovering from an invasion. Bane as the pseudo-protector of Gotham (seriously why not restart Dark Knight as a Bane series). If it started like this everyone would be reading month to month just to see how this all happened.
Flash's costume for the TV show...
You know in that pose he looks like an ol' timey football player...
Also guess what DC is bringing back? That's right Jack Kirby's Space Hippies. In a rather shocking move DC is giving the Forever People a new ongoing. Honestly out of all the Fourth World books this is the last one I expected to get a revival. I would have bet Jimmy Olsen getting a new ongoing before these guys. Though it makes sense since there has been a strong Kirby undercurrent in the New 52 with Darkseid and OMAC being part of the opening. Speaking of OMAC the book has the same creative team as OMAC DiDio/Griffen and Griffen/Koblish, which isn't a bad thing since I feel OMAC was one the best books of the relaunch.
After six months of reading, I have finally completed Jack Kirby's "Fourth Worlds" saga and it was truly epic. However, to say it was nothing but sheer perfection would be a lie, as it did have its moments of mediocrity.
First off, I really loved the fact that Kirby was able to create an entirely new universe of characters within the confines of the DC universe. We have ultimately seen where this has led to in the modern world, but I bet it was something truly unique to behold back in the 70s. Kirby's work gave us some of my favorite DC characters of all time, and I have even found favorites that were never prominently featured in the Animated series and movies (Which is where my original introduction to most of these characters lie). Mr Miracle being a prime example of this. He was a cool character in concept, but it was not until I read these stories that I really grew into liking his character as he has a very complex history and is just a down right fun character. Unfortunately, I must say his series got a little rocky in the middle as the stories for issues 11-14 were rather bland and uninspiring as it seemed like Kirby was unsure what to do with his character. Things really turned upward when Shilo was introduced. The best part is, I was expecting him to just be a pointless character who was brought in to up the sales of the comic, but Kirby did quite a bit with the character to make him feel like he belonged there before the series' abrupt end. The only unfortunate part is that Mr Miracle's series really seems to have very little impact on anything that is going on between New Genesis and Apokolips, as they don't even make an appearance during "The Hunger Dogs" story.
Unfortunately, the Jimmy Olsen series is where the books were kind of uneven. There was nothing ultimately wrong with the Olsen stuff, except they were convoluted and felt out of place at times. For example, Superman is with Jimmy during the nonsensical DNAliens plot, but at the same time, Superman is there to greet the Forever People when they first appear on Earth. That does not make sense since both events are supposed to occur at the exact same time. Nevertheless, the whole clone story arc with the Newsboy Legion that does not work for me. Everyone seems way too happy to learn they have been cloned and there is never any real explanation on what is going on at all. The stories in Scotland were interesting, but then the one with the shrinking horror movie watchers made very little sense. There was also never any pay off with the Morgan Edge subplot.
Thankfully, the majority of the stories found in "The Forever People" were well written, but even that had its dull stories. The issues that dealt with the gang being captured by Desaad and placed in an amusement park made little sense and it felt like there was more to the story that was missing than explained. On the other hand, the gang being separated and traveling through time was well done even if it should have been longer. Once again though, the series took a turn for the worst when Dead Man was brought in and like the Morgan Edge subplot in "Jimmy Olsen," it was just dropped for a final issue that still had no true conclusion.
The highlight of the series truly comes from "The New Gods" series. Outside of one confusing issue, everything found in this series was fun, energetic, action packed, and well written. It featured a new side of Orion never seen in other mediums before along with a great deal of focus on Lightray. The grand battles between Kalibak and Orion were nothing short of fantastic. Every issue seemed to out do the one before it, but the masterpiece of the series, and of the entire "Fourth Worlds Saga" is the issue titled "The Pact." Not only did it shed light on the grand origins of New Genesis and Apokolips, but it also featured seeing Darkseid before he was the cruel dictator we all know and love (or hate) along with the young man who was destined to become High Father. Add on top the trading of children and Kirby gave us one of the most detailed tragic origins in the history of comics. It also was amazing to read this issue just a few weeks after reading DC's origin of the New 52 version of Darkseid, which feels like an insult to Kirby's vision. It is unfortunate that Kirby never had the chance to really conclude his saga until a decade later, as the finale issues feel off.
I'm not sure if it is because of the time period they were written in, the fact that he had to take more than ten years to finish his story, or if it is the horrible art work, but the final two stories, "Even Gods Must Die" and "The Hunger Dogs" just feel wrong on many levels. The biggest issue is how everyone just feels out of character. Orion is out for blood on Apokolips and wants his mother freed. The people of Apokolips are suddenly uprising against Darkseid. The Furies are working for Darkseid again. Darkseid now wants to rule with an army of machines AND has the ability to bring all of his soldiers back from the dead (who only appear for like two pages as it is). Finally, we know next to nothing of what happened with Mr. Miracle, Big Barda, the Forever People, etc. It is just a mess and feels like Kirby was just laying down the cliff notes version of his finale in a book just to get his inconclusive conclusion out of his head instead of making sure it was well written and made sense. Not to mention Orion just suddenly loses his desire to kill his father because he found love (off-screen and from a character who just shows up out of the blue in "The Hunger Dogs").
Overall, despite its negatives, Kirby's "The Fourth Worlds" series was well worth finally reading and is one of the best things to come out of the traditional world of comic books. Kirby not only gave us iconic characters, but also ones that go beyond a simple "His world was blown up as a baby" or "His parents were killed when he was a child" origin story. Many of the characters found within this universe have gone through hell and beyond go get where they were, and still have to go through more hell even afterwards. Darkseid may be a ruthless maniacal tyrant, but he also showed sides of compassion and honor in unexpected places, making him more than just a one dimensional villain. The interesting aspects of The Forever People were getting to see essentially children entering a new world for the first time and getting to see their views of life different from their own. Mr. Miracle was a man programmed to be a killing machine and wanted more with his life. Finally, reading Orion's struggles as Darkseid's son with the impulses for war, but wanting to know peace instead defined his character as well. Even the negatives found in Jimmy Olsen's storyline had different aspects and gave us a different side to Olsen's character that you normally would not see. What Jack Kirby gave us was a grandiose world with complex characters and stories and as time has shown, they continue to live on to this day. I give the entire series an 8/10 stars.
I also saw it coming, and while the Shazam reveal also surprised me, I was a little taken aback by how violent this issue was. Batman threatening to kill Luthor, Black Manta brutally murdering The Outsider, Cold freezing Johnny's leg and breaking it apart while Alexander finishes the job by snapping his neck... I mean, I know modern superhero comics are pretty violent and gory, but still :redface2:.
So in honestly rather shocking news Morrison's The Multiversity finally has a release date. To be fair I thought this was just quietly killed off years ago. I just really hope this turns out to be as weird as I think it will be. I think that is what I miss most about DC since the reboot, not enough weird and strange. Those elements always helped to keep DC from being to serious which helps to keep the the universe from being crushed under it's own pathos.
Another thing to note is that latest information there seems to be a rather obvious omission of the Watchmen-style Charlton characters. I just wonder if Morrison got rid of them himself or was asked to by someone. Either way I am guessing Before Watchmen had something to do with it.
2009 CBR article
2014 CBR article
Did you not read 52? They brought the multi-verse back in that series and rightly so. They should have never destroyed it in the first place.
Read Animal Man and Swamp Thing if you want weird. However, what do you expect? DC seems to be rebooting their stuff because of poor writing, but poor writing is still poor regardless of whether you do a reboot or not.
Before the reboot the Charlton characters had their own Earth. Not sure with the N52.
I wasn't talking about the multi-verse, I was referring to the title "The Multiversity". Morrison has been talking about since 2009, but with reboot and all I figured it was just forgotten. Especially since the end of Batman Inc. Morrison has been really quiet about his future DC work.
Also I have good things about Swamp Thing, I may pick it sooner or later.
Also I think DC's biggest problem is poor editing and mangement.
Oh, yeah< I never heard of The Multiversity.
The Grid was taken down, but the fight between it and Cyborg was straight out of Superior Spiderman, and, true to it's name, Spiderman did it better.
Forever Evil (finally) comes to a close.
The whole thing drag on, but the main book, Rogue's Rebellion, and most of Justice League were pretty solid. But the best part, by far, was Lex Luthor.
Since I lost Super Spiderman, now I hope that Injustice League last quite a while :laugh:
Yeah from everything I have seen, the delays really hurt this event. It's hard to say the outcome from the story rocks the DCU to it's core, but then delay the ending for a few months with few books even taking notice.
But I agree what they are doing with Luthor is a good idea, and hopefully a lasting one to really give this iteration of the DCU something unique. Really I think Lex as a hero can work. He could be the counter-point/rival to Superman which a lot of writers try to make Batman into.
Anyway as we move into the future I just have to say I love Batgirl:Future's End cover. I would to see a ongoing with that version of Babs.
Considering the one thing Superior doesnt get right is...well....everything, I doubt that.
Says you, but to me Superior was really good and during its wrong it was my favorite comic in Marvel, and better than anything DC had to offer.
And since you've admitted not to have read the book, your opinion about my comment is meaningless.
Man it feels like I haven't been on here in forever. Anyway Jeff Lemire's Green Arrow has ended and I'm sad to see it go. The artwork by Andrea Sorrentino was outstanding each and every issue. The way the Outsider war was handled was well done. I really enjoyed seeing Emiko grow as a character and hopefully she and Naomi sticks around once Andrew Kreisberg takes over. I mean the Future Ends tie-in for being a "What if" really wanted me to see that fully realized in canon.
One of my favorite moments from Jeff and Andrea's run was the return of the Long Bow Hunters and the last panel of from the Broken arc. It really showed me how much effect color can have on a story. If it's one series you should check out from DC Comics, let it be Jeff and Andrea's Green Arrow run. Easily their best book to come out in the recent year. Now with October rolling around, I'm unsure if it will be anymore.
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